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worth · 05-01-2007, 07:45 AM

You call my statement baseless and statistically incorrect yet fail to cite any sources of your own?

Furthermore, the portion that you quoted...I don't see how that statement is baseless or statistically incorrect.

Anyway, you want statistics?

The US murder rate is 7/100,000 people.

The murder rate in Israel where the people are heavily armed is 1.4.

In Switzerland, private gun ownership is huge. 2.7 murder rate.

Canada? 4.1.

Cuba is 7.8 where gun control is strictly enforced.

Lithuania all guns are registered and have to have a police permit to have one. Murder rate is 10.8.

Trinidad and Tobago all guns are registered with the police. Murder rate is 11.7.

It's extremly difficult to own a gun in Mexico. 17.5 murder rate.

In Russia you cannot own a handgun. You must be permitted to own a rifle or shotgun for hunting. 30.6 murder rate.

This information is from a 1997 US Department of Justice report on murders.

Since then, murders have gone down in the US.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offens..._homicide.html

There are many countries within the first world that have large gun ownership and little relative murder rate, and others that have strict gun control, and a huge murder rate. The rate of murders has nothing at all to do with the amount of guns.

Again, example Switzerland:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm

Huge gun ownership, little gun crime.

UK: Strict gun control, huge crime, including illegal gun crime:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...%2Fnmurd21.xml

05-01-2007, 07:45 AM	#62
worth Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Vancouver Exp:	You call my statement baseless and statistically incorrect yet fail to cite any sources of your own? Furthermore, the portion that you quoted...I don't see how that statement is baseless or statistically incorrect. Anyway, you want statistics? The US murder rate is 7/100,000 people. The murder rate in Israel where the people are heavily armed is 1.4. In Switzerland, private gun ownership is huge. 2.7 murder rate. Canada? 4.1. Cuba is 7.8 where gun control is strictly enforced. Lithuania all guns are registered and have to have a police permit to have one. Murder rate is 10.8. Trinidad and Tobago all guns are registered with the police. Murder rate is 11.7. It's extremly difficult to own a gun in Mexico. 17.5 murder rate. In Russia you cannot own a handgun. You must be permitted to own a rifle or shotgun for hunting. 30.6 murder rate. This information is from a 1997 US Department of Justice report on murders. Since then, murders have gone down in the US. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offens..._homicide.html There are many countries within the first world that have large gun ownership and little relative murder rate, and others that have strict gun control, and a huge murder rate. The rate of murders has nothing at all to do with the amount of guns. Again, example Switzerland: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm Huge gun ownership, little gun crime. UK: Strict gun control, huge crime, including illegal gun crime: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...%2Fnmurd21.xml Last edited by worth; 05-01-2007 at 08:21 AM.