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Originally Posted by Azure
So you have a problem if I like to go to the firing range on the weekends, and fire my handgun? Who gives you the right to infringe upon my rights as a law-abiding citizen? Say for the sake of arguing, we are both living in the US....
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No one has a problem with that. It's when on the way to the firing range I cut you off in traffic and you shoot me in the face. No one has a problem with safe gun use. But just having guns opens the door to people abusing guns and killing people. It's simply really.
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No matter how many gun laws you pass, how many bans you impose, you will never stop guns from being a 'regular fixture in crime and murders.' Never. Ever. So by banning handguns, banning assault rifles....which BTW are illegal to use for hunting, and are specifically bought and owned to use on a firing range....you are only affecting MY right to defend myself. And yes, if I lived in a big city, I would get a concealed permit, as well as proper training, and I would carry a handgun to protect myself. Granted, nothing will ever happen, nor would I ever be a 'hero' that would stop a shooting such as the one at VT, but I would have the reassurance that I can protect myself, if need be, from certain danger.
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Ah yes, the typical you can't get rid of every gun, so we shouldn't ban them argument. That makes perfect sense. We either have to solve the problem 100% or not at all. You gun people are so paranoid. You think that because you don't have a gun on you, you're going to get shot the second you walk out into the street.
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Now does that mean if someone tries to rob me while holding a gun, I would whip out my handgun and blast them away before they got a shot off? I think CC had a post a while back saying that unless you are very highly trained in self-defense against people with weapons, the safest course would be to give the guy your wallet and cancel your credit cards ASAP. But, if someone with a knife asks for your wallet, and you have proper training for such a situation, you could protect yourself with a firearm. The key here is proper training.
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What is this "proper training" you keep bringing up? Sounds pretty fairy tale to me. A gun safety course and a gun self defense course are a little different. So you suppose that we should train people to be effective with their gun in a self defense situation? Remind me why we should train more people to be killers? Who takes this "proper training"? My only guess would be people in the military. There is no law stating that you have to take a gun safety or a gun defense course, perhaps there should be one, but as of right now there is no proper training for gun owners. It is a moot point unless it is mandatory.
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This is your logic....
Alcohol is not 'needed' by anyone. In fact, alcohol has killed millions of people, and probably kills more people in Alberta than guns will in our lifetime. Therefore because alcohol is not 'needed', we should ban it. Since alcohol is unnecessary, and a regular fixture in ALL drinking and driving accidents, we should ban it.
Right?
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Oh you got me here. You have used my logic and sent it back firing into my temple. But where is my right to own an ICBM? Where is my right to trade in my sedan for a armored tank? If I am getting attacked by a person with a knife I should pull out my gun and defend myself, if I didn't have my gun I would be out matched and die for sure. If I am getting attacked by a person with a gun I should pull out my RPG and send them back the stone age, a straight gun on gun battle is coin flip as to who will live. I would hope you don't advocate this type of weaponry being legal (and I am sure you don't) but don't you think there should be a line? Why is the gun the end all be all? Banning guns isn't going to end crime. But if a person is robbing you with a knife instead of a gun chances are your survival is better.