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Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

And you know this how? I'm very curious about this as there are wind energy farms all over the United States, so why would it be different in the United States than in Canada or vice versace?

I'll PM you later, but I wouldn't say US wind farms are all over the place, yes more prevailent, but still a tiny slice of the energy pie. Suffice to say, if you could make money in canada with wind farms, especially in AB where Nat Gas gen is always on the margin you'd do it. Maybe in the US they subsidise the he// out of them, I don't know, but they don't work here very often.

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Compared to the sunk cost of any other energy plant? I don't get your point. Did you not follow and read the link in the last reply?

"A modern wind farm that is located in a good area can generate power for about 3 ½ cents per kilowatt-hour. That compares very favorably with other new forms of generation. For reference, diesel generation costs between 8 and 16 cents per kwh and nuclear power costs between 11 and 15 cents per kwh."

Do you not think that the costs of the wind farm are factored into these costs per kilo-watt-hour?

Yes, compared to any other energy plant, any other currently viable energy plant. Think of it in terms of capital outlay per energy output.

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

All of these "nice" and "cute" ideas are already in use in many locations around the world. Many of them are already used in industrial applications to reduce energy costs. Just because they are not yet adopted in North America does not make them poor concepts.

Maybe the wrong words, but if they were viable they'd be here. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yes, the market is always correct and the market is never manipulated.

Lanny, you usually have good posts, if not correct they are at least well thought out and worth consideration, but you have to admit, that last sentance is a complete cop out. How exactly is the big old mean oil company, or government 'manipulating' everyone out of better alternatives. Best I can tell (although I haven't spent much time tabulating" the largest investments I hear of into alternatives are from governments and big oil companies.

It's a really simple market economy, if there is a buck to make, someone will do it. People have to deal with the fact that alternatives are hard. I know Gore and Suzuki mean well, but they don't have to deal with the real world considerations of just 'going green'. You NEED ALTERNATIVES, that the market simply has not developed. Any idiot without a couple IQ points to rub together can slam the tories for their new policy on emissions, but you can't just say no more emissions by 2025, or equally ludacris "we are back on the Kyoto bandwagon" you need a plan, and nobody on this planet has one yet. Sucks but its true.