[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Shawnski

Prove that one. As Lurch has already pointed out, your numbers don't jive. Not even close. If my 22 MPG car was electric, would I get 352,000 MPG if that gas was converted to electricity first? Obviously not.

I don't think that the math is as you suggest it. The enegy loss from an internal combustion engine is quite high, and the process of using it in a high pressure closed system for electricity generation is much more efficient leading to more energy recovery from the burning of the fuel. Consider the efficiency of burning a piece of wood in an open fire pit versus burning it in a closed boiler system. Which one release more of the energy in the wood.

Sorry mate, as much as I don't agree, nor usually appreciate his/her posts (nor myk's), the blowhard that is best suited for wind power is yourself. Keep the rhetoric to a minimum and your posts will be more readable and in turn make more of an impact on the reader.

Buy yourself a sense of humor, or are you still all pissy about the Flames boming out so quickly and all us "negative" types having a much better grip on the hockey team as you "positive" folks? Probably still pissy since you went all Shergil on me for pointing out the problems with the team and saying the first round would be a humilating blowout.

Nope, not even close. There are very small areas in which a large scale windmill, let alone farm, can be deployed. Consistant high winds from a generally stable direction are paramount to being effective in harvesting that power. The energy cost to construct a windmill is quite high as well. How long before it is "paid off" in green energy (let alone maintaining it.)

Is it? I have no idea what prduction costs are for an industrial windmill. I do know that the power generation costs from the windmills are extremely inexpensive, so I think your incorrect on your information.

http://www.douglaspud.org/Environment/WindPower.aspx

Again, total misinformation. Geothermal (of which I am a big supporter) has nothing to do with what you stated. On the contrary, it is the exact opposite. It is like the radiator in your vehicle. When it is cool out, you are warmed by the flow of "heat" from the ground several meters below the soil. But when it is hot out (hello Phoenix), the cool temps under the ground act as an air conditioner with the Earth cooled anti-freeze cycling through the buildings systems.

I don't know what type of system you are talking about, but that is not geothermal power.

http://geothermal.marin.org/pwrheat.html#Q1

http://www1.eere.energy.gov/geothermal/powerplants.html

http://www.montanagreenpower.com/ren...mal/index.html

Lanny, these are just a few that stood out from skimming this thread. For someone that is so high on being analytical of situations like Iggy and the Flames, I would hope you could put more into your posts on this matter. I do value your opinions, but would hope not to see them evolve into a wooden bat vs aluminum bat travesty.

And I would hope you would have too, like posting correct information when you attempt to call someone out for the information they share, and they provide links to support their claims. When you say someone is wrong, you better be right and post the supporting information to your claim. Maybe I'm just expecting a lot, but I think that's a fair demand.

Side updates might include costs of ethanol and mercury in the new bulbs as food for thought.

Feel free to expand on the discussion. If you feel you have any information in a certain area, feel free to bring the information forward for discussion. The more the merrier, and much more informative.

Bring it, bring it hard. I encourage that. But bring it all man!!! Both sides as complete as possible. The most success I ever enjoyed in my business life was when I knew (and articulated) all sides of a debate, at all times. Answers became apparent so much easier that way.

Again, feel free to correct the information that you feel is incorrect. That's what the database is all about, sharing of opinions.

My 1/10th of a cent... after taxes.

Let me guess, that's Gore's fault too!