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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale
If the alliance is so powerful (and it is), then how is that a bad thing if Ukraine joins? I can assure you, Europeans don't enjoy having a war on their doorstep and there is a huge calling for Ukraine to join when the war is done. No war = better for literally everyone. Including Russia.
And again, Ukraine now has significantly more combat experience against the russian army. Not even the US has conventional combat experience like this against them. In what world is that a not useful? It's super duper useful.
And finally, again, ask Belarus and Ukraine what it's like being a buffer country beside russia. It fuggin' sucks. Buffer countries are dumb. Russia can make their own DMZ on their own border if they so choose. Being a buffer country beside russia on their western flank means you get invaded, full stop. So who exactly is it "better" for? North Americans sitting at home where russian wars have no effect on them, or people who live beside russia?
Nah, I think Ukraine will get in. In the "perfect" world, once the war is over, perhaps there is some kind of plan to fast-track them in and put an end to this russian nonsense for the foreseeable future. Probably not likely, but a man can dream. Ukraine isn't perfect, we all know that. But war is one of those things that sometimes brings a country together and really puts on a light on things that need to change internally in order to progress.
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You bring up Belarus, and that's exactly why it'll be a little bit before Ukraine gets into NATO. The Ukraine people have shown a resolve the Belarusians have not, but we already see the problems we gave in NATO with Erdogan and Orban. Once Ukraine shows a longer period of clamping down on corruption and holding stable government, they'll get it