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Originally Posted by Sliver
Uh yeah, that's precisely what you want, though. In a perfect world NATO is an alliance so powerful that it is a deterrent to actual war. Ukraine is an unstable country and a poor one, too. Obviously it would be great for them to be part of the alliance, but I don't think they offer much in return. As well, a buffer between NATO and Russia is better for us.
Sadly for Ukraine, the status quo is in NATO's best interests. Plus this war has showcased the awesomeness of NATO weaponry. I think that's a further deterrent, too, and didn't cost NATO lives. I agree Ukraine will forever want in, but you can't "force" your way into NATO. NATO needs to want you and I don't know if it will. Assuming Ukraine wins this war, there will be a short period of time where there is momentum and goodwill that could lead to acceptance, but I would bet against it happening, myself.
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This realpolitik rubbish is why we are where we are. This is a military alliance not an economic union, they will be admitted because they will have one of the largest armies in Europe and easily the most experienced. This conflict has revived NATOs purpose for existence.