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Originally Posted by curves2000
This battle will continue and it will be incredibly difficult and deadly for everybody involved. I really hope the west and NATO know what they are doing with all this dithering. Anything short of Russian losing 100%, giving up occupied territory and fleeing Ukraine may be considered a loss.
If all the west achieves is millions displaced, a few million injured, killed and an entire country destroyed only for Putin to maintain some capacity and territory in Ukraine, than what was the point? Why didn't we arm Ukraine with everything earlier, started training earlier.
I just hope good prevails in this thing but sometimes I wonder if we are being fed a little bit of BS from government and media types about doing all we can to help the Ukrainian people.
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My own personal opinion is that NATO is going to get dragged into this kicking and screaming at some point, whether they like it or not. To me a ####ing dam being blown up and thousands of people flooded is as WMD-like as it gets. Hundreds/thousands potentially killed. Thousands more homeless. Entire vast regions and eco-systems destroyed. Uninhabitable regions for a long time. And yet the simple "condemnations" and utter silence from quite a few leader is disgustingly dissapointing. A man-made human catastrophe on a massive WMD-scale, and the silence from many is....deafening.
IMO West had the chance to nip this in the bud leading up to the war and could have used the excuse of special " training" or whatever you want to call it. Russia would have never attacked in the first place. It would have been tense, it would have been standoff-ish. But ultimately we are way past that point now and instead get to watch Ukrainians get butchered and the country literally ripped apart and destroyed, all in high def 4k videos.
We are NOT doing all we can to help Ukraine. Absolutely not. There is a still fear amongst some leaders of EsCalATinG, although russia is permitted to do that with every drone stroke, every missle attack, every forced deportation and now a catastrophic dam explosion bordering on WMD destruction. The West been entirely reactionary most of the time and not enough proactive. All under the guise of " Well, Ukraine isn't in NATO, so this is as far we go. BTW, don't attack russia in their land, because we don't want to get dragged in". Makes sense...until you consider this is the prequel to a much larger conflict if Russia isn't stopped HERE and NOW, and stopped hard with the help of the rest of Europe and allies.
I'm ranting a bit because this is all very personal for myself and those in my household. Nova Kakhokva is literally the home of the 2 refugees living with me. My poor wife cries much of the day watching this #### on socials. Ever seen people live-stream their fate from a roof as water surrounds them and shelling goes off in the background because the russians are STILL shooting at them? It ain't pretty. I dunno, just sick of knowing that certain entities out there have the power to stop this and make sure it never happens again, but...won't. Or can't? Who knows. We have to do it their way I guess. The slow way.
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Anyways, had to get that out of me. Slava Ukraini. #### russia.