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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
It really isn’t. Few Republicans of any prominence are calling for cuts to social security and medicare (Trump slapped down some who recently floated the idea), and none have proposed scrapping them. They’re the third rail of American politics.
Today’s populist right is not just regular conservatism on steroids. Look at Brexit. The City of London finance mavens - and really the entire business class of the UK - supported remain. The Red Wall of traditional work-class England had other ideas and de-camped to the populist right. The far right has made more gains in former Communist Eastern Europe than elsewhere in Europe, and the AfD is most popular in the depressed former East Germany. Economically, the policies of people like Orban don’t look a lot like Reaganite or Thatcherite economic liberalism. Part of their appeal to the working class is national control of business, and more redistributive policies.
It’s too long ago for most people here to remember, but the Free Trade debate here in Canada was highly contentious. The left were fiercely opposed to the deal, painting it as a right-wing capitalist scheme to fleece working-class Canadians and rob them of autonomy. And yet today, support for global trade deals and the free flow of money and people across borders is more associated with the establishment liberal left than with the populist right. As recently as Obama’s first term, Democrats routinely expressed opinions about immigration that would get them branded Trumpist bigots today.
The stance of the right/left over globalization and trade have basically flipped in the last 20 years. No coincidentally, this era has seen the working class shift allegiances to the populist right and the corporate class re-align to the left.
The polarization we’re seeing in the West isn’t the left becoming more left and the right become more right. It’s a fundamental reconfiguration and alignment of politics. The populist part of the populist right means anti-corporate, anti-globalist, anti-establishment. It appeals to a very different population than the prudent, middle-class conservative voter of yesteryear who wanted lower taxes and a better business environment.
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A lot of good points, but the point that the liberal left is more aligned with globalism is the biggest lie that is being told.
What happened with free trade is exactly what the left said would happen. We have destroyed workers wages, opened up more to exploitation and have accelerated the wealth transfer to the rich. The only reason it is "associated" with the liberal left is through constant propaganda and lies from the right.
We ended up going so far all in on globalism that we can't just turn back the clock without serious repercussions. This is where the left now stands, we see the issue but we also know that fast changes or attempts to block it will result in a lot more pain for the working class. We are constantly standing up for people who dismiss us as "globalists" and instead align with the liars who stand the most to gain.
I think there is a lot more to dissect and agree with where you are coming from, but what I feel gets lost in your comment is that it is the ownership class who first came up with the ideas and are now convincing the working class that it was the lefties who came up with them, which is pure fiction.
My frustration with the "rural" or "uneducated" is that we are doing our best to work for their interests, to actually protect workers from exploitation, to ensure workers get their fair share of the fruits of their labour - and ended up being dispised by these same people because they gullibly buy into the lies of the ownership class who aligns much more with the right.