[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Groot

What does the franchise performance have to do with assessing individual players on an annual basis?

It has to do with your incorrect accusation that being overly negative is my thing.

Huberdeau was not a 70-80 point player the 4 seasons prior either. That's fine you don't think he'll ever perform like he did in Florida because he apparently doesn't have linemates of 40-point Sam Bennett quality on the Flames.

Never said he was that player, I gave reasons why he will not reach those points, and didn't say he would be far off, I don't think it is overly negative to say he will be an 80 point player.

Kadri was the best player on the Flames for 3 months to start the year. You're pretending like he is incapable of playing like that when he literally has played for this team at a high-level, but sure he'll never be able to replicate that level of play again.

Judging someone over a 3 month period when they are 33 seems crazy. He has shown what he is and is unlikely that at his age he is going to improve. I think he will be the player he has been over his career, again explain how that is overly negative.

There are 64 top-pair defenseman in the league. Kylington was 56th in scoring. He was top 50 in advanced defnesive metrics (source - Moneypuck)). But facts don't matter, you say he's ok-ish and 4/5 defenseman so I guess let's ignore actual statistics.

I don't put any value on advanced defensive metrics, if you do great, but I don't see it as being widespread gospel to ignore what we clearly see when watching the player. Facts do matter to me, advanced defensive metrics as facts LOL.

OP claimed Mangiapane was due for redemption based on underperformance last year, you said he is what he is which I take to mean that he will continue to "underperform". I said he didn't underperform and doesn't need redemption. Big difference.

He is an inconsistent player both in terms of in season and overall. That is what I think he is, I don't think last year was an under performance it was the 2nd best season of his career. Again i will repeat myself but are you honestly saying that me saying a guy will have a similar season to his 2nd best season of his career when he is 27 years old is overly negative?

You failed to address Markstrom who played at a redeemed level to close out the season and why he'll never play at that level again.

I didn't address Markstrom because I think that at his age and with history I do not expect him to be at a top starter level again. Maybe he is slightly better than last year but I don't see any reason to think he is bouncing back. I also feel like I am far from the only fan that feels this way so again is that overly negative.

And it's overly negative when you combine all the above to be the stance of a single poster, not a positive thought shared. Not thinking a single player that underperformed this year will see any improvement is overtly negative IMO.

Except that isn't true, I said Hubredeau would clearly improve and significantly. With Kylington I asked about what is considered redemption since he didn't play last season so not a negative or positive stance.

The reason you are painting it as overly negative is because of pre-conceived ideas you have about me making you look for negatives that aren't there.