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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
It’s probably because Trevor Tombe is on drugs. That’s the only explanation when Deluxe doesn’t understand something, since he has such a wealth of knowledge and an uncanny ability to follow simple conversations.
Nah, nobody is “actually” saying that. Someone can believe this is an objectively bad deal while feeling no joy when it falls through and genuine sadness were the Flames to leave as a result. This idea that everybody pointing this out secretly hate the Flames and will jump for joy when they leave is just pretty ridiculous.
It’s cool if you don’t want to criticize the deal for fear of the Flames leaving if it falls through though. We don’t have that power, but do you.
People who are completely happy with this seem dead set on either lying about the benefits, ignoring the issues, or painting critics as some nasty Flames-haters, which is all very weird to me. I think you were on the right track by admitting it’s the only deal you think there was and you’re happy to pay the price to keep the Flames. Just stick with that honesty instead of the other nonsense.
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I certainly wouldn't say I'm completely happy with the deal - but I am happy a deal has been struck. I think it would be a really sour day for Calgary if the Flames left - and I don't think it would be of any benefit to our already struggling downtown core.
I'd greatly prefer if there was a proposal on the table where we had another potential owner willing to buy the team and fund the arena privately 100%, and have that line up with Murray Edwards actually wanting to sell. You know I'm not exactly happy with how the Flames have been run, I just don't see Murray Edwards selling though.
I also know it's not in my control at all. What will happen will happen, I just find the futility in arguing about "the deal shouldn't be this way, it should be this way!" just as useless as "I can't believe we paid Nazem Kadri $7M a year, they should have paid $6M a year!" - it was the reality of the situation. Kadri wouldn't have come here without the Flames paying that premium, just like how I believe the Flames won't stay here without the City paying the premium they may be paying in this deal. It has taken a long time to get to this deal, and this is the deal that they've come up with this far into the process...so, I think this is just where we are.
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Originally Posted by Roughneck
If this is the fear, then the Flames portion of the deal would need to be weighted against the cost of relocation (the NHL isn't going to abandon a solid market, and give up the potential expansion fee for another) as well as the cost of renting out the Toyota Center because Feritta and the Rockets have operation of the building.
So in addition to the lease payment portion of the deal, which gets CSEC far more than Edwards relocating the team to Houston would provide, add a presumed relocation fee to what the stakes (likely) were in the negotiation.
So by this metric, the city really, really ####ed up in negotiations.
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I just don't look at Calgary as being some wonderful unicorn market. Corporate dollars have shrunk significantly here, and the fanbase just isn't as rabid as it is up North (*yuck* E=NG)