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Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus
If this is even remotely true (which seems ridiculous) why would the team want to retain any of these players reported to want out? If they can't handle some adversity from their coach, they aren't going to be able to push themselves far enough to win a cup.
Maybe it's just me getting old, but toughness is required physically AND mentally and it seems that too many of these big names on the Flames roster don't seem willing or able to push through much adversity at all.
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If it's 1-2 players then I think you can point at the players, but at this point it seems like we are approaching the entire roster (except maybe Toffoli). So at that point I think you have to start looking more at the coach.
It's a different era and generation. There are ways to be demanding and tough without being an ####### about it.
And based on the last two years it feels like Sutter leans too far into the being a jerk, and "pushing buttons" as his motivational tactics.
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Originally Posted by Major Major
People unwilling to give credit to sutter for '22 sound the same to me as people unwilling to critique him in '23.
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He gets some credit for sure. Especially for defensive structure and the strong defensive play the team had in 21-22.
However I do think it might be tough to give him too much credit for the play of Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk, outside of him just putting those three together to start with.
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Originally Posted by Bonded
lol this is now starting to go off the deep end. You think they purposely played worse before their contracts were up and then decided as a collective to just play better to get away from Sutter?
Tkachuk would have been coveted even if he had a 60 point season and he structured his contract to be able to leave before Sutter was hired. If Gaudreau found another gear it was to cash in on a UFA contract. Neither were stuck beholden to Sutter.
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I think it's just as crazy as giving him 100% credit for that line's play in 2021-22.
I think overall there was a lot of stuff that Sutter's system and structure helped with that season. I'm not sure the offensive production of 13-28-19 is one of them. Two of those guys already left, and based on his comments the third one sounds like he wants out.