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Originally Posted by Cole436
Joel's death was brutal and horrific, but I can understand why she did it without labelling her as sadistic.
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How is it
not sadistic? From the OED:
sadistic adj. deriving pleasure from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others
She was textbook, 'definition', sadistic. She enjoyed killing Joel. That she ultimately found little relief or peace afterward is irrelevant.
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I would also argue that Ellie's actions are equally or more sadistic. Nora's death is nearly a mirror of Joel's death, and even if it traumatized her, she still did it. She also put a knife to an unconscious Lev's throat to force Abby to fight her.
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She did these things as means to an end, but didn't seem to get any pleasure out of it, whereas Abby did. Ergo, Abby is sadistic, and Ellie is not.
I get the other arguments you've been making, but this I categorically disagree on.
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The game is not forgiving either of these characters, but it isn't passing judgement on them either.
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I do definitely agree that the game is forgiving to neither Abby nor Ellie, and going right back to the first comments I had in this thread: I got to the point where I didn't really want to play the game to its conclusion. I did not want Ellie to leave for Santa Barbara, I did not want her to hunt Abby down, and I did not want to fight that sad, pathetic, emaciated sunburnt shell of a person Abby had become. Those last few bits of the game were a slog for me.