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Originally Posted by Russic
This thread is an interesting example of (what I see as) the main problem. In order to solve this issue, people with severe problems need to be seen as legitimate people first. We don't do that though. This thread has floated the ideas like shipping them out and letting them Mad Max it alongside the citizens of Airdrie, or indefinitely incarcerating them. Hell, the word "people" was put in quotation marks.
I'm not actually arguing anybody's position here, it's frightening out there and we have a reason to be angry. What I will say though is that almost none of these ideas are new, and none of it has ever worked.
I'm definitely not saying that these people are beyond saving, but I will say the best investment we can make is probably in children and families today so that the kids who are destined to be on the streets in 15-20 years don't get there. The people that are struggling now aren't hopeless, but given societies general attitude towards them, they don't have much of a shot. They need a ton of resources, and it's clear most don't want to give it to them.
We're probably going to have to tough this wave out for another decade, but if we don't take actionable strides to help children struggling with poverty and trauma today, then we'll just run head-first into the next wave.
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This is a bad take and a bad interpretation of everything that has been said.
As for the bolded, how could you come to that conclusion? You don't think we're aware that it would be incredibly expensive to house and care for people during rehabilitation? I
want to be taxed more to pay for this.
But Russic, many of these people have given up much of their humanity and are singularly focused on feeding their addictions. These aren't your buddies who maybe snorted a couple lines on a Friday and sobered up for work on Monday. We're talking about people jumping on cars, stabbing people on their lunch break, killing fathers, etc. I think you're portraying those of us who are actually looking at solutions - and are willing to pay for them - in way too negative of a light.
I also recognize that some people are beyond help. I've known them and been there when we've laid them to rest. For those, yes, let's get them out of Calgary and keep them out.
"Investment in families." Okay, to whom do I make out the cheque? What does that even mean? I respect you and your takes and I consider you a hero for real (that wolf thing was literally a selfless act of heroism and you're on a pedestal in my mind forever because of it), but I don't think you've really digested what some of us have been saying.