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Originally Posted by Buff
I suck at it. I'm stuck trying to kill the bloater in Chapter 5... I'm on easy level. I used to be good at gaming now I'm just too old to figure out these new fangled darned gadgets.
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If it's the hotel basement, just run. You don't have to kill it to clear the section. That area is a nightmare.
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
TLOU2's gameplay is fine, the story and themes of the cost of revenge are fine, and anyone complaining about Ellie's sexual orientation are simply losers. The problem I had with the game is that it's absolutely joyless. I realize TLOU is a really dark universe, but at least the first game broke up the depression with some light moments. Playing as the hardass Joel with a young and naive Ellie who's seeing the world for the first time was a great balance. But in the second game Ellie is stripped of any happiness she had and is more hate filled than Joel ever was and there's nothing to balance that out. In the first game the really dark moments (Sam & Henry, cannibal camp) hit hard because of that balance, but in the 2nd game it's just execution after execution and they lose any emotional weight
I've played the first game twice through and will make it 3 whenever the remake goes on a good sale, but one time through TLOU2 is more than enough
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When you have the time, you should play the second game again. I revisited it around a year and a half after beating it, and I was surprised how much more I enjoyed the story the second time through.
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Originally Posted by timun
Abby "sparing" Ellie and Tommy was no big favour, and made her out to be a complete idiot to me. She goes on this vendetta trip to Jackson to assassinate Joel because he killed her father... and she expects that Joel's brother and 'daughter' would be thankful that she deigned to spare their lives after she brutally murdered Joel? Of course they're not going to be okay with it; if Abby wasn't 'okay' with Joel killing her father, why would she expect Tommy and Ellie to just let it go?
I felt like it was as much Ellie relenting only after the satisfaction of knowing she was capable of beating Abby. Of course we know this was an entirely pyrrhic victory that cost her physical scars she'll never recover from, and she ruined the relationship with Dina. She has nothing left to live for.
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I feel it was communicated that Ellie and Tommy being spared wasn't Abby, but Owen. It was him trying to pull Abby back from going further and further down a path that he had tried for years to help her off of. It may have not been the right decision, but I thought it was clear that it was Owen attempting to save the last pieces of her soul. If he allowed Tommy and Ellie to be killed, they would have been just as bad as Joel.
I've never heard of that interpretation of why Ellie spared Abby, but I'm not sure I agree with it. A lot of people seem to believe that Ellie sparing Abby is her forgiving her, but I've always felt it's about Ellie forgiving Ellie. Abby is the vehicle that took away Ellie’s ability to repair her broken relationship with Joel, after she finally choose to try and forgive him.
The pain, the guilt, and the grief of wasting all that time and then having that moment of redemption snatched away is Ellie’s driving force. She hates Abby because deep down she hates herself for wasting the only time she had left with the person she loved the most. At that last second, when she had Abby underwater and was at risk of losing the final piece of her soul, Joel saves her one last time. She knows he wouldn't have wanted this for her, and killing Abby would change nothing.
I think it was a really challenging look at the idea that our inability to forgive others often comes from our inability to forgive ourselves. It's a choice we have to keep making, every single second.
Ellie letting Abby go wasn’t Ellie forgiving Abby, it was Ellie trying to begin to finally forgive herself.