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Originally Posted by CroFlames
Yes, and what is your point?
How do you explain away the documented and widespread atrocities (murder, rape, torture, destruction of property) perpetrated by individuals? A Russian soldier who believe in the cause can still conduct himself professionally in combat. But they don't. Just ask Huntingwhale.
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I am in no way at all making any excuses or in favor of any of that. That is absolutely horrific and should not have happened at all. I am in total favor of the west quite wasting ****ing time and getting rid of Putin and company with a direct warning. Stop this or else you and your families are officially done. Full stop. Russia can not compete with the west militarily and Putin knows this.
When people wonder why Russian soldiers don't just give up and just go to get their legs blown off and killed, it's probable that they just believe the BS being fed to them by the Kremlin. Along the way, we have the horrific atrocities you mention.
It's not that different from the BS from America and the Iraq war. Plenty of people were in favor of being in Iraq because "planes were being used as weapons on 9-11" despite no evidence that Iraq was involved.
Lot's of American's were totally on board with invading Iraq, lot's of solders did the fighting and believed in the cause of "bringing freedom" to them. Along the way, we had thousands of solders killed, with missing limbs and hundreds of thousands of people dead. Horrific atrocities committed by American's too, let's not forget.
My point is also, rather than leaders lecturing you and I about how they care about peace, refugee's, human rights, women's rights the environment etc
Just deal with the problem, we have the ability to. We don't need more death, refugee's, more rape, more missing limbs, more famine, more inflation etc. More programs to try and pretend they are harming Russia with sanctions while at the same time allowing this war to continue to be funded.
If the handful of men in suits quit playing the game and actually took care of the problem, we would have a drastic reduction in the issues your speaking about. I am firmly on Team Ukraine 1000%, but I am not naïve to see how this is being played out on the geopolitical stage.