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Originally Posted by etdpratt
Great, and it goes back to my argument of what is the right moral standard/framework? What you have adopted in your own life? Because you set the bar in different places, and I bet it's changed over the course of your life. So are we always supposed to expect everyone to accept your moral framework as one everyone should support?
But if that framework comes from a religious/spiritual foundation, then you have a huge issue with it. Whether from the belief in supreme being or one that you have recognized as your "source of truth", what you deem as "wrong" may not hold in the views of others.
Many Christians, Muslims, etc... believe fornication is wrong. Or gambling is wrong. You could argue there's actually a sound argument for those in terms of why going against those standards can cause many societal problems. But, they are supposed to follow and support your standards, without any expectation of reciprocity.
The irony of saying "people realized it was wrong" when that is again based on your moving standard. So you are asking everyone to adopt and actively support where you have agreed to move the goal posts, but if a Christian asks you to actively support a cause they follow, that's religious oppression?
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I was raised Catholic and then burned out of it when I realized a lot of Catholics conveniently chose which parts of the bible/religious tenets they liked to live by in their daily life.
It isn't my own personal moving standard. The goalposts weren't maliciously moved, culture and society progressed. It is a slow moving process that is pushed by progressives and pushed back on by conservatives. Women's suffrage, labour laws, the abolition of slavery etc didn't happen overnight and by accident. More and more people came together and said hey maybe things should change.
I generally live by my own moral code of you do you and not being a dick. The conservative/religious side is making it harder for people to be themselves and the progressive side wants to expand acceptance and rights. Easy choice.
When it comes to reproductive rights and LGTBQ+ issues the religious side is actively trying to oppress people and restrict options and the the progressive side is trying to maintain people's rights to make their own choices. No one is forcing Christians to become gay or have abortions but Christians are stopping people from having abortion access and restricting their ability to express themselves and happily live their life.
The bonus is when they cry about being persecuted when people push back against their publicly stated beliefs. I never said Reimer had to wear the jersey but I can call him and the people who support him a dick.