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Old 03-14-2023, 06:55 AM   #1262
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Originally Posted by Flames0910 View Post
The writers have said multiple times that the overarching theme of the show is that it’s about “the things love makes you do” — and that sometimes those things aren’t pretty.

We see that on multiple occasions, whether it’s the beautiful relationship in episode three, Joel taking Ellie because it was Tess’s dying wish, Ellie picking Joel to continue the journey even when Tommy was a more logical decision, Marlene ignoring the lie when Ellie’s mom died.

And then in the final episode we get Joel choosing to kill off the Fireflies to save Ellie and Ellie’s desire to turn her friend’s death into something meaningful. Love, it ain’t always pretty.

To argue Joel didn’t love Ellie is missing the creator’s point completely.
I think the point is that the show didn't do a very good job of depicting Joel's intentions.

He just came across as a total psycho in that last episode. There were multiple points where he killed defenceless guards who were already surrendering and disabled. There was no internal debate about what was wrong/right.

And again, that talk he had with Ellie about her reminding him of his daughter was extremely creepy.

None of this may have been the creators intent, but they added to the source material to push the envelopes and it backfired and instead took the punch out of the storyline. What made the original story good wasn't a cool shoot out scene filled with violence, it was the moral debate.

Still a great show overall, they must missed the mark a bit with the ending.
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