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Originally Posted by GGG
Joel’s love (If people insist on calling it that) for Ellie is a selfish love not a selfless love. He acts because he can’t lose her not because he wants what best for her or respects her ability to make the decision.
If he lets them live then when Ellie wakes up she could go back. That’s the decision he took away. Then when he lies about it it prevents her from looking for other firefly’s who may have information on the same research. I don’t understand how you can think that Joel didn’t take away Ellie’s choice on whether to sacrifice herself. He first preserved her choice by saving her (holding the doctor at gunpoint with the doctor saying I won’t stop) and then made the decision for her by killing the doctor and Marlene. He also specifically kills Marlene to prevent her from coming after them. He ends any possibility of Ellie making the choice on whether to sacrifice herself.
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There was no opportunity to allow Ellie to make that choice. Wasn't exactly in the cards.
Even if he purposely shoots them in the knees, they still had weapons and probably fire back to stop him. Most were armed and if he escaped leaving key members alive they would track them later just to sedate Ellie and do the same thing.
It was either kill and walk away with Ellie or walk away without violence and let them have their way and potentially #### it up at the expense of her life, without her consent.
Unfortunately the doctor/expert put a gun on Joel, otherwise he could've perhaps extracted her without killing anybody there, but thems the breaks.