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Old 03-13-2023, 08:55 PM   #1245
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree View Post
It’s the same character in the same story. They hit almost all the same beats and every major plot point. The arcs of both main characters is exactly the same.

I think what’s actually happened is that people who played the game are less prone to a complete misfire when it comes to understanding the development of the characters, like you’ve done here, because there are even more details that affirm the development.

The point of Joel’s arc doesn’t have anything to do with him learning to be less selfish or less of a murderer (don’t know how much you followed the show, but “killing people” doesn’t really appear to be a rare trait among survivors).

Regardless of the read, saying that Joel doesn’t really love Ellie is probably the worst take I’ve ever heard on the story, and it’s been around for a decade. He very obviously does. The entire point of his arc is him re-learning to do exactly that. And when faced with the choice of losing his daughter a second time, he makes the same choice he would have made the first time and saves her, because she’s his entire world at that point and a reminder of what it feels like to live for someone else.

They’ve been living through this world for 20 years, and to choose between continuing to live through it with someone you love like your own child or letting them die (again) on the off chance it could eventually lead to the end of “the threat” or whatever, leaving a whole world to still be rebuild yet while raiders, rival factions, and violence continues on despite the lack of infected? I don’t know, doesn’t seem hard to imagine doing the same thing Joel did.
Joel, and most of the people who are alive wouldn't be around long enough to see the changes that immunity would bring on a larger scale, as moving the vaccine around a world that's highly unnavigable and full of hostile groups would be a logistical nightmare. And thats assuming that they succeed at extracting a useful sample and synthesizing the vax/antidote, which isn't exactly a slam dunk given that allegedly one guy there had the credentials to make it happen. Then there's the assumption that military QZs would willingly accept a cure from a group of people they've considered terrorists for years. It's pretty much a guarantee that they would just shoot them down. And would civilization even be able to go back to how it was given all the murder and other immoral acts people had committed over the years just to survive?

There are so many possible hitches along the way that any loving parent would be crazy to not want to fight for their child's life before trusting a rag tag group's highly idealistic proposal.
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