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Originally Posted by GGG
Joel and Marlene did the same thing. Marlene by trying to kill her, Joel by murdering the doctor and then lying. Joel took away her agency by killing the doctor. That was a self serving decision that allowed him to have his daughter back.. He easily could have shot a knee cap to end the surgery. There is no ambiguity he was as wrong as Marlene.
Joel doesn’t really love Ellie he loves himself as he always did. He is unredeemed despite the shows first 8 episodes trying to convince you he had changed.
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Did they?
I saw it as them convincing us that Joel could let someone in again
Not that he had changed on any fundamental level with his approach to surviving in a cruel post apocalyptic world. Especially when his way has proven to be successful at keeping him and his brother alive.
Think of the 55 year olds you know. Who actually undergoes changes on a meaningful level despite dealing with significant life events? No one.
Also how many in that age range would let their adopted child be harvested for medical means, even if positively serving, without an a-ok from the child or any kind of goodbye? No one.
At no point has Joel been shown to be a guy who isn't ultimately selfish about himself and his kin. What makes any one watching these episodes think he was going to give real consideration to the person closest to him being made a sacrificial lamb, given his background and highly cynical and jaded view of the current world?
Imo him being on the fence to allow it would be out of character
Some people just wanted to see the protagonist be better than he actually was.
I suppose you can't please every one, but this feels like an imaginary character development that was never actually demonstrated through the season.
Dude just brutally massacred multiple guys just in the last episode all just to get Ellie's whereabouts. This was thoroughly within character.