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Old 03-13-2023, 10:54 AM   #1186
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Lol at the above. It's precisely what you're meant to feel.

The only part you've got wrong is Joel taking away Ellie's agency to make her own decisions. It was Marlene who did that, as Ellie wasn't informed she'd die on the operating table.

Everyone sucks here. No one is in the right.
Well said

The turn/situation is supposed to make the audience feel uncomfortable. There was no "win" coming out of that predicament. Joel had to decide which loss was easier to stomach, and for him that was keeping Ellie alive at the expense of the fireflies and their cure project (which wasn't guaranteed to succeed anyways). We know that Joel wasn't going to let someone he had basically adopted as a second daughter (highlighted by their early exchanges) slip through his fingers like Sarah did.

I didn't mind Joel mowing them down just because we know his soldier background and with ellie at stake he would be at his most focused and lethal. And these guys were probably never soldiers before but civilians recruited by the fireflies and trained with them.

It makes sense that it wasn't a big challenge for Joel vs these guys. He's hardened and unafraid. They didn't want to be in debt to him (as Marlene said) because they know what he can do

I wouldn't mind the search for ellie being dragged out more, but I'm also not exactly sure what it would add or accomplish in terms of dramatic effect either.

What was needed were more infected. Maybe a brush with some clickers before the fireflies. Think they could've used a reminder of the dangers they still pose to survivors.

I liked the ending. But sure, pacing and style points weren't perfect in this one. Interesting how that's completely swayed certain posters on the entire season. Fickle audience

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