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Originally Posted by FlameOn
So any yahoo can claim someone told them something and you'd be okay with it? You're both siding the argument without actually looking at the veracity of the information being posted. Yes, war is not black and white, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof to back things up. Almost all of Hersch's arguments and claims have been thoroughly debunked by OSINT sources and analysts at this point. Why continue to perpetuate an argument that supports the Russian position when the information has been shown to be false? What type of people continue to post and claim something can be true when they've been shown there are clear problems with that position? Its the very stubborn, willfully ignorant, disinformation actor, or bot.
Yea, Firebot may have been a tad aggressive on the initial response and was a bit rude about it, but he did have a point.
In any case, there have been several prominent article pointing out everything fundamentally wrong with Hersch's claims.
Highlights from one of them pointing out Hersch's factually incorrect and near impossible details: - Claiming Air Force proposed to Biden airdropping timed fuse munitions to destroy the pipeline when no sane person in the airforce would think doing so on an under water target is a good idea
- Claiming that NATO secretary Jens Stoltenberg has been a US Intelligence asset since the Vietnam war, despite the fact that Jens would have only been in his early teens at the time
- Claiming involvement of a specific class of Norwegian navy minesweeper took part in targeting of the pipeline to blow up using a well established training exercise as cover despite no ships of that class having participated in that exercise
- Claiming that said class of minesweeper supported the supposed dive operation despite it not being fitted with equipment to support surface-supplied mixed gas diving. i.e. complicating the mission by requiring 3 dives, when there were readily available alternatives
- Non-sensical claim that Americans had to adapt the explosives to the salinity of local water to "camouflage" them from the Russians. Wtf does that even mean???
- Claiming that Norwegian Navy P-8s aircraft involved in the plot despite the Norwegian Navy not operating any P-8s, that would be the Airforce. And ADS-B flight record data for all planes don't place them anywhere close to the areas involved at the times claimed.
- One of the main points against this. If the purpose was to blow up pipelines was Biden wanting to stop the flow of Russian gas to Germany, why only blow up three of the four pipeline instead of all of them? And why only leave intact the only one Russia can turn back one at a moments notice to supply gas to Germany?
There are so many more, but you can read details from one of these if you are interested. All of this points to a bunch of BS made up by a has been at best.
https://oalexanderdk.substack.com/p/...ur-hershs-pipe |
I have read the article.
I found the details he provided to be suspect given the high secrecy of such a mission. The US military conducts off the books operations all the time without anyone ever knowing about them for decades after. A mission like this wouldn't be leaked a few months after.
Or maybe it would, who knows.
I just know the US stands to gain from this war immensely, and given their past 20 year history, they will use Ukraine as a means to an end.
And then end is not JUST to upset Russian order in Eastern Europe. It is also to upset European industry, and force them to be dependent on American resources or not exist at all.
Also guess what? I can say all that and be staunchly pro-Ukraine. Shocker.
