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opendoor · 02-10-2023, 05:41 PM

I don't know, I think if you looked strictly at motivation, someone allied with Ukraine (other than Germany) would have the most to gain from it. It removes a piece of leverage that Russia has over Europe, it harms the Russian economy, and it likely has long-term effects on European energy that harm Russia.

Now the evidence doesn't seem to point that way, so far at least. And I'm skeptical that a German ally would do something so brazen. But if we found out tomorrow from a reliable source that the US or UK blew it up, I wouldn't be shocked or anything.

All that said, I do think a lot of the people pushing the Hersh story as gospel are probably mostly doing it because they want it to be true. Those exact same people (Taibbi, Carlson, a bunch of people on the left etc.) spent months before the war saying that the US's warnings of an imminent invasion were baseless and the Russia would never invade Ukraine. Here's an example only a few days before the invasion happened:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1495540540330360835

Now Hersh's account allows them to act like they were right all along as it sort of positions the US/NATO as an aggressor who refused to negotiate with Russia, leaving Putin with few options.

02-10-2023, 05:41 PM	#10022
opendoor Franchise Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Exp:	I don't know, I think if you looked strictly at motivation, someone allied with Ukraine (other than Germany) would have the most to gain from it. It removes a piece of leverage that Russia has over Europe, it harms the Russian economy, and it likely has long-term effects on European energy that harm Russia. Now the evidence doesn't seem to point that way, so far at least. And I'm skeptical that a German ally would do something so brazen. But if we found out tomorrow from a reliable source that the US or UK blew it up, I wouldn't be shocked or anything. All that said, I do think a lot of the people pushing the Hersh story as gospel are probably mostly doing it because they want it to be true. Those exact same people (Taibbi, Carlson, a bunch of people on the left etc.) spent months before the war saying that the US's warnings of an imminent invasion were baseless and the Russia would never invade Ukraine. Here's an example only a few days before the invasion happened: https://twitter.com/user/status/1495540540330360835 Now Hersh's account allows them to act like they were right all along as it sort of positions the US/NATO as an aggressor who refused to negotiate with Russia, leaving Putin with few options.