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Old 02-07-2023, 02:34 PM   #19
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Yeah, for what it's worth, I think branding everyone who calls out apartheid in Israel as an anti-sematic is perpetuating Israeli propaganda. And It's hard to talk about the War in Ukraine and have a good faith discussion of the conditions that lead to it. Especially when Ukraine history with nationalism and anti-communism did see a lot of ideological support from Nazi Germany, and the entire discussion about the figures like Stepan Bandara. It also doesn't help that Russia corrupts these very real facts and downstream perspectives as a bonus excuse to engage in their own imperialism. Which the West, led by the US, pushed back as it's a threat to it's own order and so and and so on.

So yeah, Waters is an #######, but I think it's easy to be reductive and flatten the complexity of history and geopolitics.
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