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Hey neat, you used full sentences and articulated some points.
Well, first of all, the addicted human being I ran into two days ago labeled herself a "crack whore" so there's that.
I'm also less concerned about me calling a drug addict who jumps on my teenager's car a junkie and more concerned about doing something to address this problem. You keep working on the words, though...that should get us there.
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Words are only part of the thing. Nowhere did I suggest that's where things stop
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Yes, well I guarantee you Debbie the housewife addicted to opioids isn't going to go hang out with the more downtrodden among us to get her fix; she'll be "too good" for that.
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I mean, again, when safe-use sites are expanded you're likely pulling clients from the immediate area. Which is typically the sites have been placed in urban cores. So if you have one in Tuscany, you're probably not serving the same clients are the the Schumer
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I was onboard with trying the safe sites, btw, but they just aren't working, which is obvious to anybody who has left their house in the past three years. I'm not in support of quadrupling down on a failed approach.
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I don't think you can look at the last three years as a fair assessment. With the government change in 2019 the UCP all but ended support for the sites. You can look at the outcomes worsening in Lethbridge after their site closed as a concrete example of the Government's approach. The research at places like Insite in Vancouver, and other studies, demonstrate out what the long-term positives that they are. It's not a failed approach, they UCP ignored the studies and doubled down on making it a failure.
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Nope, it's addictions that come before homelessness. And throwing an addict into a house solves jack ####. Counselling and clean before free houses IMO.
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I mean, it keeps them alive and prevents them from having needless amputations etc. Even in my own life and my own mental health, as my material conditions improved I was able to address those issues in myself. Not to mention that often folks use drugs or alcohol to self-medicate from the harsh realities of their material conditions/life. It's really no different than what a Wine Mom does, it's just we've not stigmatized booze the same way as drugs.
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Oh yeah, committing people to a facility to address their mental illness and drug addiction is somehow kicking the can down the road even though it actively address all the issues at once (the wellbeing of the troubled individual, peace in public and the lack of a home), but free drugs and a place to use them is solving...something?
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It's as simple as safe consumption sites are keeping people alive. Dead people don't enter treatment or recover.
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No, I was giving you some helpful tips and tricks and it seemed to have worked. Sometimes you can't just tolerate people polluting spaces with bad behaviour and have to actually spell out your expectations and let them know their shenanigans won't be tolerated.
Look, you've now contributed to the thread with some well-written responses. Thank you. I credit myself with getting you back on the rails.
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Pretty rich coming from you.
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Should we just not talk about this stuff? Is it too triggering for you? I don't get why this topic - that affects us all - is off limits in your mind.
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Yeah, I'm a giant snowflake c**k that thinks we should acknowledge that drug users are human beings.