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Originally Posted by Sliver
Okay, fair enough. I mean, I guess I'm still just basing my comments on what you've said. You belittled Gen Z for not working past 5, but I think if you want to take people's personal time that's exploitation or time theft. If you want them to work past 5 and you are willing to pay them overtime, I think they can still say 'no thanks' and that should be respected, not admonished.
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Again, I'll re-iterate since you seem to have ignored my other posts since - no one is expected to work past five - at all. If you have a deadline though, sometimes overtime may be required. That's just the nature for some industries, though. We also make it very clear when people are hired that it is a possibility sometimes. If people didn't like that, they wouldn't take the job.
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Originally Posted by Sliver
But, like, missing work for appointments? Yeah, most things are open during business hours, so that's when people have to make their appointments. What's wrong with that? I don't get it.
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Nothing wrong with missing work for appointments. That's not the issue at all here, and never has been.
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Anyway, apparently your industry is special. I do hear that a lot and perhaps success for you requires working your people beyond what they want to work in order to please your customers. I suppose at the end of the day they're good enough to keep around and you're good enough of an employer to prevent them from quitting.
Sounds like an uncomfortable relationship, but as you say, I don't know what you do and I do come at this from a bit of a place of privilege in that I get to call my own shots here. I will say I am speaking from experience, though. I took over this company from a boomer that operated it very much in boomer fashion with an upstairs/downstairs mindset between ownership and staff. It has taken a long time to turn it around and come up with options to give people more flexibility/perks/pay/privileges without grenading the company in the process. Plus, I have to be fair to my own investment - if this company isn't going to make money I owe it to myself and my family to sell it and invest elsewhere. If you're going to own a company you can't be altruistic to the point of being stupid with your stake in the business.
I just don't think it's to most people's benefit to give up too much personal time for a company. Some people will rise through the ranks like you did, but for most people, they'll just have given up time, added stress, taken away from personal relationships and will not have achieved anything for the effort.
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Fair enough, I agree with that.