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Originally Posted by Muta
My Gen Z staff always needing time off, taking multiple appointments a month (and of course, during the day, not before work / at lunch / after work), requesting to work from home all the time, never putting in a minute more past 5 PM, or becoming sick on the slightest whim RGMG. I've noticed this over the last few years, and it just increased during and after the pandemic. I sure hope it's just a complete coincidence, or they're easily the most high maintenance generation of workers ever, haha. I'll go back to yelling at my cloud now.
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Originally Posted by Muta
Yeah sorry dude, there's no 'exploitation' here, despite your best efforts to try and create that into existence. I appreciate your comments Silver, I do, but it's apparent you don't understand my industry, the working environment that we operate in, the compensation model, the opportunity for advancement, or the the day-to-day happenings in what we do. And that's totally okay. I don't know your company (and you'll notice I have refrained from commenting on yours, even though you've gone into large detail), and don't really care to. And unless I work with you day-to-day, I simply won't make black and white, possibly inaccurate assumptions about your workplace.
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Okay, fair enough. I mean, I guess I'm still just basing my comments on what you've said. You belittled Gen Z for not working past 5, but I think if you want to take people's personal time that's exploitation or time theft. If you want them to work past 5 and you are willing to pay them overtime, I think they can still say 'no thanks' and that should be respected, not admonished.
But, like, missing work for appointments? Yeah, most things are open during business hours, so that's when people have to make their appointments. What's wrong with that? I don't get it.
Anyway, apparently your industry is special. I do hear that a lot and perhaps success for you requires working your people beyond what they want to work in order to please your customers. I suppose at the end of the day they're good enough to keep around and you're good enough of an employer to prevent them from quitting.
Sounds like an uncomfortable relationship, but as you say, I don't know what you do and I do come at this from a bit of a place of privilege in that I get to call my own shots here. I will say I am speaking from experience, though. I took over this company from a boomer that operated it very much in boomer fashion with an upstairs/downstairs mindset between ownership and staff. It has taken a long time to turn it around and come up with options to give people more flexibility/perks/pay/privileges without grenading the company in the process. Plus, I have to be fair to my own investment - if this company isn't going to make money I owe it to myself and my family to sell it and invest elsewhere. If you're going to own a company you can't be altruistic to the point of being stupid with your stake in the business.
I just don't think it's to most people's benefit to give up too much personal time for a company. Some people will rise through the ranks like you did, but for most people, they'll just have given up time, added stress, taken away from personal relationships and will not have achieved anything for the effort.