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Originally Posted by FleeceGang
But they aren't the same call, in the rule book delayed offside is a subsection of offside and has different parameters. Delayed offside, simplified for the Makar play, only cares about physically touching the puck once all team mates have cleared the zone, possession does not matter. Where as Offside from an individual standpoint relies on if the player has possession AND control of the puck regardless of if the player proceeds the puck into the zone.
For context, possession is determined by whoever last touched the puck and control is defined as the act of propelling the puck forward with stick, foot, or body. Additionally, control and possession need to be maintained until the puck crosses the blue line at which point possession and control mean nothing as it is just a live puck.
I would say that Connor definitely had possession since he last touched the puck, and also had control because he propelled the puck consciously into the zone without anyone else touching it. He only loses control when O'Reilly makes contact with Connors stick right before Connor re-engages contact with the puck maybe a foot inside the line. But again, that distance doesn't matter since the puck is already in the zone "cleanly".
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By propelling the puck, he didn't have possession - literally.
And as you also said, "O'Reilly makes contact with his stick right before 'Connor' re-engages contact with the puck". Read what you wrote. McDavid did not have possession when he crossed the blueline. Offside.
The rest of your post is just a word salad, hoping to make a case with random shrapnel. You said in Makar's case, 'possession doesn't matter'. Of course it matters. If it didn't matter, the play would have been offside. It wasn't offside because he didn't have possession.
Same thing is true with McDavid - if he had possession, he wouldn't have been offside. But he didn't, so he preceded the puck over the line.
Those are the (very simple) facts.