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Old 12-07-2022, 02:34 PM   #3411
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden View Post
To practice veterinarian medicine.
There are non-firearm methods to kill livestock or animals that are available to veterinarians.

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Originally Posted by Yamer View Post
If you think about it, if you're going to hunt for either sport or necessity, isn't it more humane to do with a tool that is more effective and efficient? I'm neither a gun guy or a bow and arrow dude, but I've used both and it takes far more skill to fire (is that the right word?) a bow than fire a gun.

I'm also not a hunter, but I imagine a rifle provides the opportunity for a cleaner kill than a bow. If you're going to kill something at least do it right.

"Because our ancestors did it this way" is a strange argument.



I don't own a gun and frankly cannot foresee a reason I would ever want or need to own one. Unless the zombies come. However, "I like guns" is a valid enough answer. Enjoying the aesthetic, using it as a hunting tool, using it as a recreational tool, and so on are perfectly acceptable and justifiable answers. IMO, the self-defense argument is weak unless you live in a land proliferated by guns, absent of law, or both.

I'm generally anti-gun, but I'll be honest: shooting a gun is fun. Target shooting is a good time. I've only done it on a handful of occasions and it's a blast, so to speak.



Yes, these are all weak comparisons. When mining the Black Hills for gold returns in the same fashion as hunting to feed yourself we'll have a cup of coffee over it.
Yes, I believe I admitted that they were weak analogies, as Azure also used to drinking and drugs.

Shooting is fun- this was the position I was hoping would come out. So we're willing to balance personal enjoyment against the potential for mass death?

This serves as a response to btimbit's post as well. It's fine if that's what your position is, just admit that you value personal enjoyment of a novelty more than societal well-being.

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There is a lot in this post I strongly disagree with, and this comes from a guy who only bow hunts, and does not have any firearms or a PAL. I challenge you at some point in your life to join a hunter on a rifle hunt and experience it for yourself. its not nearly as simple as some make it out to be. At least you did not simply say, Why hunt, as this is becoming more common all the time.

Even your analogy is off as you say society doesn't allow regular people to own chemicals. True, However, thru proper training and storage requirements you can obtain them, Just like firearms. Owning firearms is not like we stroll down the street to the local Canadian tire one day and decide to purchase a 30-06.
I have been on a firearm hunt before. I didn't at any point say it was easy. That was an inference you made based on my comment of returning to more traditional hunting methods. I'm just saying there are other tools to accomplish the exact same end that don't represent a substantial threat to the lives of many people. A knife can also harm people, but the scale of threat a firearm represents compared to a knife is obvious.

Regarding acquisition of chemicals through licensing: there are still some chemicals that you cannot obtain in spite of licensing, that are specially restricted and controlled.
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