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Originally Posted by Locke
Which is essentially exactly my point. It isnt about 'this' fight, its about ending the conflict so there isnt a 'next' fight.
This is Putin's shot. If they made peace tomorrow and gave Russia everything they wanted, they're still going to try again although Putin will probably be dead.
And I do think their capabilities would be heavily diminished. They already are, and we've seen how far lacking their capabilities and materiel are in comparison with NATO.
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But my point is that their capabilities won't be any more diminished than they are right now and they aren't stopping. They'll continue to kill and torture Ukrainians and try to invade anyways. Negotiating anything right now isn't ending the conflict. What makes you think having a $####y army will stop Putin from trying again? It won't. It hasn't so far. This has been going on for 8 years with Russia breaking their word twice. Why is now different?