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Old 11-30-2022, 11:46 AM   #61
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Originally Posted by pylon View Post
The terms "Orwellian" and "Dystopian Future" get thrown around far too much. In the case of China, they are completely appropriate, and their methods deserve to be called into question, and anyone defending those ideas outside their borders, deserves to be shunned.

Watching their Covid Police running around in non-descript uniforms and gas masks beating citizens, rounding them up to put in internment camps, beating stray dogs to death with shovels, having to show digital ID at any request, having cameras planted outside your apartment to surveil your every movement. Having every communication monitored by the government on apps presented as harmless with cute pictures of robot pandas on them.....

You could have renamed the CCP Covid Police the Combine, and boom, you have the much craved 15 year overdue, Half Life, Episode 3. It almost mirrors the horrific vision Valve had when it created Half Life 2. But this time, it's even scarier. It's not some interdimensional technologically superior alien force, it's your own neighbours being indocrtinated and brainwashed by its government to commit these acts. And it is actually happening. In the real world, not inside the confines of a hard drive.

And this is just Covid. Peter12 touches on many of the other issues, and their are many more to add on to that. Corruption, the goverment stealing housing down payments from it's own citizens through banks they were told to trust. Homophobia. Rampant racism against non-chinese that makes racism in North America look laughably mild. The list goes on and on.

The citizens of China need to make a decision. Are they going to live on their knees, or die on their feet. They need to fight for their freedom. And they need to overthrow their corrupt goverment that is forcing them to basically live in servitude.
I don't know, we live in a much freer country and we willingly accept significant government and corporate surveillance into our private lives, so I'm not sure why anyone would expect the Chinese population to stage a revolution over that. Particularly when you've lived in that environment your whole life.

Ultimately, people will tend to trade prosperity and security for their rights. As long as China's per-capita GDP keeps growing as fast as it is, people will be generally happy with their government. I suspect their growth will slow in the somewhat near future (their demographics aren't looking great) and then there will be more of a reckoning, and maybe that's already happening to some degree with the economic effects of their zero-COVID policy.

As an aside, why is "digital id" the new fear? Is having to show that somehow worse than having to show physical ID?
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