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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
They're both attempts to remove a democratically elected person from a government role simply by demanding they no longer occupy that position, rather than by attempting to remove them by force. So if you think that demanding someone be removed from their elected position makes something not a protest anymore, then that would apply to both. Which was what Yamer was saying. I still don't understand why he thinks there's a difference between demanding someone step down and demanding they step down in favour of a specific person.
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It's tricky territory for me. I have no issue with protests generally, even ones that break laws etc. I think they are important. I also think if their plan is to overthrow a democratically elected government that it's a bit different than a protest.
Simply saying someone should step down isn't the same thing as holding a city hostage, demanding that they step down and be replaced with candidates of your choosing. Their M.O.U. was to literally change how our government operates, completely ignoring democracy. They did this while disguising it as a trucker mandate protest, which was nonsense. These same people tried this prior to the pandemic with the yellow vest protests. I don't think anyone had too much of an issue with those protests, this became a different thing and they tricked a lot of people into joining under false pretenses.
If their M.O.U. was just to protest mandates that's a different thing.
The province did nothing, the police did nothing, and it had gone on long enough, they gave them plenty of time. If after a couple weeks the remaining few hundred wanted to stay and protest around parliament go right ahead.
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Hey, I didn't say they shouldn't have all been arrested. In fact I repeatedly said that you can be thrown in jail for protesting even if your protest is constitutionally protected. I don't necessarily have a problem with these people being jailed, in theory (probably some of them are more deserving of incarceration than others). I have a problem with the hand-waving way that some people are trying to mental-gymnastic their way into saying that what they were doing wasn't really political protest, or wasn't really the sort of thing that the Charter is meant to deal with, because they don't like the content or form that the protest took.
I would want those people removed by the police. Hell, I wanted Idle No More removed by the police when they blocked a bunch of bridges, and that was WAY less disruptive than the convoy people were. Same should have happened here. But don't try to undermine constitutional protections or circumscribe peoples' basic legal freedoms.
Again, doesn't make any sense but doesn't seem to involve the use of force. Unless they expected the Senate to somehow use force in removing Trudeau...
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I don't think their constitutional protections or basic legal freedoms were undermined. Every single one of them could have been arrested and that didn't happen, and very few are actually in any trouble whatsoever. If one person blocks traffic downtown to protest something they don't like, they get arrested within the hour.
Did you read their M.O.U.?
The MOU called on the Governor General and the Senate of Canada to form a new government with the protesters themselves. Sounds like force to me.