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Originally Posted by AFireInside
Those are no way the same thing. No one would have cared if they stood on the lawn of parliament and held signs and yelled for Trudeau to step down.
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They're both attempts to remove a democratically elected person from a government role simply by demanding they no longer occupy that position, rather than by attempting to remove them by force. So if you think that demanding someone be removed from their elected position makes something not a protest anymore, then that would apply to both. Which was what Yamer was saying. I still don't understand why he thinks there's a difference between demanding someone step down and demanding they step down in favour of a specific person.
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Fact is, they all could have been arrested/fined for a number of things each and every single day. That didn't happen. I wonder what would happen if some friends and I blocked traffic on 9th avenue in Calgary, set up a stage and brought bands out to protest the governor of South Dakota (makes as much sense as protesting Trudeau over "mandates"). We'd be arrested within the hour.
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Hey, I didn't say they shouldn't have all been arrested. In fact I repeatedly said that you can be thrown in jail for protesting even if your protest is constitutionally protected. I don't necessarily have a problem with these people being jailed, in theory (probably some of them are more deserving of incarceration than others). I have a problem with the hand-waving way that some people are trying to mental-gymnastic their way into saying that what they were doing wasn't really political protest, or wasn't really the sort of thing that the Charter is meant to deal with, because they don't like the content or form that the protest took.
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It's hilarious seeing people defend this. If a bunch of trucks pulled into their cul-de-sac, threw a month long party, harassed everyone, made noise so loud that they and their children couldn't sleep, and ruined their businesses they wouldn't be defending anything of this. It's silly.
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I would want those people removed by the police. Hell, I wanted Idle No More removed by the police when they blocked a bunch of bridges, and that was WAY less disruptive than the convoy people were. Same should have happened here. But don't try to undermine constitutional protections or circumscribe peoples' basic legal freedoms.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
I believe the plan was to go to the Senate and have the senate overthrow Trudeau. They just missed the irony of going to an unelected body to overthrow a democratically elected one. That, and I'm not sure they had a plan how to convince the Senate to do that.
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Again, doesn't make any sense but doesn't seem to involve the use of force. Unless they expected the Senate to somehow use force in removing Trudeau...