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Originally Posted by Firebot
The Ukrainian genocide by Russian hands will be seen 50 years from now as the world's failure to learn from the Holocaust and failing to heed its own promises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Never_again
Expect the numbers from Mariupol to be utterly catastrophic, and we know that over 1 million Ukrainians mostly women and children have been kidnapped.
And these happened in areas which were initially Russian aligned and Russian speaking in just a matter of months. What would have occured had Putin succeeded in fully occupying Ukraine?
The scope of this genocide is so large, that the general public is simply unable to comprehend, and media isn't reporting on as it's simply not possible to grasp that this could be occuring in 2022. |
I think it would be through a very naïve lens you'd have to be viewing this conflict to not understand why western countries aren't doing more. I don't think it is a money thing and I don't think it is a spare-our-own-forces thing. It is - as has been explained to you every second page for months on end - a nuclear thing.
First of all, Russia does
not have a "no-first-use" policy, meaning they are willing to use nuclear weapons even if they haven't been engaged with them first. They did have a no-first-use policy up until 1993, but then reversed it at that time.
Their policy states they reserve the right to use nuclear weapons, "
in case of aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is threatened."
Western nations joining the fray would perfectly fit Russia's criteria to use nuclear weapons.
Would they? I don't know. I think they would, personally. If Russia is engaged by the superior armies of western nations that would absolutely put the existence of the state in jeopardy. They have a magic button they could press to take numerous armies and states down with them.
If you don't think they would, that's fair, but what an enormous fataing world-changing civilization-ending risk to take.
Ukraine has the losing hand here. They're the ones taking it on the chin every minute of the day because we're not willing to back Putin that far into a corner. It's horrible, but it doesn't mean we have a reasonable way to help much beyond what we're doing. Between HIMARS and all the rest of the arms, intel, logistics and training the West is supplying to Ukraine, I'd say we're already dancing a little on the cusp of what Putin could reasonably argue is jeopardizing his state's existence.
So in 50 years will people look back at this and think we were sitting on our hands? Maybe morons, but there is more at play than us eating popcorn and watching a slaughter as you imply over and over and over and over and over and over again throughout this thread. It's polluted with your armchair quarterbacking and you're like Teflon sprayed in PAM letting every explanation or colour added to the situation slide right off. I guess you're just not mentally equipped to understand the situation beyond a very basic and ignorant level and perhaps you never will be.