[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It seems there were since there was confusion about the rule and people questioning the disqualification.

You misinterpreting what I said. Again, read what I ####ing said.

A ball hit into a hazard of any type does not allow for a provisional. This is a very basic rule. You hit into a hazard, you must play from the hazard, take relief from within the hazard, or drop as the rules of golf demand. There is no teeing up another from the tee box if you hit something into an area marked with yellow or red stakes.

The blue and the red are contradictory statements. That's where the confusion in what you wrote comes from. You are allowed to tee up another from the tee box if you hit something into an area marked with yellow or red stakes, such a ball just can't count as a provisional. You seem to think that re-teeing in itself acts as a provisional, and that isn't the case.



You hit into a hazard, you must play from the hazard, take relief from within the hazard, or drop as the rules of golf demand, which includes teeing up another from the tee box if you hit into an area marked with yellow or red stakes if that is where the previous stroke was played. There is no teeing up another from the tee box if you hit something into an area marked with yellow or red stakes.


See the problem?

This is pertaining to the provisional. You have to drop as per the rules of golf. You do NOT have the option of hitting another ball off the tee (a provisional)

Again, this is wrong and contradictory. You are confusing that another ball off the tee and a provisional are the same thing. This is where you are getting confused. You do have the option of hitting another ball off the tee, it is the first option provided as per the rules of golf as you can do it anywhere. What you don't have is the option to declare that option a provisional, which isn't the same thing.

unless you first declare the original ball lost. Only once you determine the fate of the first ball can you hit a second tee ball. That is per the rules of golf and as ball is at rest in a hazard.

No. You don't need to declare the original ball lost, the act of hitting the second tee ball makes that declaration for you. Not announcing a provisional (or not announcing it correctly) defaults to the stroke and distance penalty as well. You don't need to announce it, and you don't even need it to be at rest in a penalty area, lost, or out of bounds to take a stroke and distance penalty if I want, and the act of taking that drop and hitting it is what abandons the previous shot(s).

You have the option of relief from the penalty area or hazard which is normally one club for yellow stakes or two clubs for red stakes, and on line where the ball entered the hazard or as far back as the player would like in line with the tee, and yes, this can include hitting from the tee again, as dumb as that would be. But you may NOT hit another tee ball without the declaration. This is why the player was DQed. He played a provisional in a situation where a provisional was not allowed by the rules of golf. You are not allowed to re-tee without a proper declaration on the first ball. This is the part you are missing. You don't get to declassify documents just by thinking about it and you don't get to hit another ball from the tee when your ball is in a penalty area without first declaring an abandoned ball. That is the rule.

He was DQ'd for playing the wrong ball and not finishing the hole correctly. He could have declared his second tee shot a provisional and it wouldn't have affected anything until he played his first, which was abandoned by his act of hitting the second ball, declaration or not. But if he had played that ball and scored it correctly there wouldn't have been any additional penalty (beyond the stroke and distance) even if he did call it a provisional.