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Old 10-19-2022, 01:46 PM   #2847
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Saying that fossil fuels need to be phased out in the next 30 years or we doom billions of people is anti-fossil fuel.

Instead the goal should be to reduce emissions over the next 30 years to a level where warming is not going to cause massive disruption to our way of life.
We're already past massive disruption to our lives. If we didn't emit a single molecule of CO2 starting right now, we're still going to see large increases in natural disasters, areas of the world uninhabitable, coastal areas under water, and climate refugees in the tens of millions, possibly in the hundreds of millions. We're already going to see a lot of this. The trouble is it's baked in and the worst effects won't be seen for a few decades. Don't take my word for it, the IPCC is a non political group of experts. Take their words. The 30 year goal is exactly what you're asking for. They didn't pick 2050 out of a hat

https://www.ipcc.ch/2022/04/04/ipcc-...ns%20by%202050.

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And if we want to reduce emissions, we need to reduce our dependency on coal. The quickest and most cost effective way to do that is by switching to natural gas in the short term.

Instead of doing that, Europe and other places including Canada have become anti-natural gas, and now we are back to burning more coal.

China is building more solar than anyone else, and they have not moved the middle on coal usage ONE bit. In fact they are going to INCREASE their coal usage going forward. If that doesn't tell you have effectively useless solar will be to reduce emissions over the next 30 years, then you are blind.

Natural gas fixes our short term problem.
Renewables, energy storage, etc fixes it long term.

We THINK we can skip the short term solution, but it is becoming painfully obvious that it won't work despite the pompous stupidity in thinking it can and we can simply just stop using fossil fuels.
Switching coal to natural gas is exactly what everyone's been trying to do for well over a decade. This isn't a new phenomenon. And yes Canada should ship it's natural gas
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