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Originally Posted by GGG
I think that leads to pedestrians getting hit by accelerating right turning traffic.
Downtown and 6th Abe has many protected phases where there walk hasn’t turned to allow for right turns essentially splitting the green phase into a right turning movement and and a pedestrian movement.
Where there is sufficient pedestrian activity to warrant intervention this seems reasonable otherwise the car can wait.
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Only if the driver doesn't notice there is a pedestrian in a pushed back crossing, but I get your point. Idea wise though, the gap is supposed to be long enough for 1-2 passenger vehicles, it'd also allow for a vehicle to pull into that spot and wait for the pedestrian to complete crossing and then continue through rather than having to wait on a simultaneous vehicle and pedestrian gap. This might be beneficial for instance in a situation where there's a turn signal at a controlled intersection, but I agree it's a concept that isn't without issue.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
It would only work on the downstream leg of a one way street. Otherwise you have traffic stopped where the crossing would be. And even then, streets backup, so you'd have crossings where vehicles are stopped, but also slowly moving forward across multiple lanes.
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? why would it require a one way street? The concept shouldn't be too different to how things are now. The biggest difference might be that if you turn onto another street, you can't gun it as fast as you have to pull up closer to see if there's anyone in the crosswalk, but this shouldn't be a major thing because many pedestrians love jaywalking from this exact spot I'm proposing, towards the cross walk anyways. It would also create a minor space buffer in the instances that someone has the sun in their eyes at an angle and are rushing to make the traffic gap.