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Originally Posted by Leondros
Well I am not arguing that. I argue somewhere between your extremely idealistic stance and Mr Coffee’s extremely rigid stance on how the world deals with this. I think we fail to meet the targets, I think we make a good amount of progress but ultimately will have to deal with a lot of impacts of climate change. It certainly Lu won’t be the end of the world. I also believe oil and gas specifically will continue to be around for better part of the century.
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I completely agree with you, so I may be doing a poor job of communicating.
How is my stance extremely rigid? I am trying to frame realism for some of these aspirations for zero fossil fuels in 30 years. That is all I'm saying that it isn't realistic, and to go look at how intricately woven into the fabric of society fossil fuels are.
I think that if we push too hard on these things you actually risk buckling buy-in altogether too. How does one generate buy-in to the necessary idea Mathgod is proposing if you're going to completely upheave every single thing about everybody's lives? I think that leads to mass chaos, unrest, war, civil disobedience, etc. And then where are we? No different than the changes and problems that climate change threatens in the first place.
Maybe it's just inevitable.
For the record though not once have I stated do not try. Do not try hard, etc. I am saying that 30 years is nowhere close to realistic to phase out.