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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Then show me a plan. De-escalation means compromise. There's no ability to compromise here because the nuclear threat will always loom and Russia will continue to take the Sabre. Can someone show me a plan? I just keep hearing that de-escalation doesn't mean capitulation, but I've seen zero plans offered
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If, and it's a big if, it is actually the case that we're on the brink of nuclear war, then it could just mean stopping the advance of troops in Ukraine for now and entering negotiations. Where it goes from there would be up to the diplomats and leaders. Maybe it still ends up in nuclear war. Maybe it ends up with giving up some lands. Maybe it ends up back with conventional war with the Ukraine taking back that land. We don't know, but it's strange to assume that no situations can be arrived at that are preferable to the worst case scenario. Time and dialogue can change many things.
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Originally Posted by The Fisher Account
Gonna play devils advocate here for a bit.
All this money being pumped into to support Ukraine from the West... is there any consideration to what a regime change/Ukrainian victory means for the West? Carve up Russia? Take control of their resources? All this money can't just be altruistic.. you gotta think there is some 3D chess being played about what spoils can go to the victors.
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One thing I expect is that it would not involve setting up for Russia to become a strong nation in future. To go back to Jeffrey Sachs, he has said that when he was working on the economic policies for post-soviet states at the breakup of the USSR he was directly told that it didn't matter if his economic policies worked in places like Poland and had potential to work for Russia too, the White House wasn't going to accept them being implemented. It was never perceived as being in American interests for Russia to have the potential to build up a strong economy. With America still having a preference for a unipolar world I would think that is very much still the case.