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Originally Posted by Firebot
Need I remind you that Ukraine used to have nukes which would have acted as a deterrent against Russia from an invasion? And they were given away with a signed declaration from Russia in the Budapest Memorandum to respect Ukraine's borders and sovereignty?
You cannot trust or appease Russia. Period. Chamberlain wanted to avoid WWII through appeasement by giving Germany what it wanted and and ended up getting it anyways against a much stronger German opponent.
And beside, Ukraine gave Russia concession terms at the start of the war that included neutrality which Putin outright refused.
This was never about NATO but about rebuilding the Russian Empire
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I agree that we can't appease Russia, at least not while Putin is in charge, but this isn't a 'peace in our time' moment and I think many here are treating it as such.
Despite the massive military blunders and sheer incompetence that they have shown, Russia has the capability of killing millions of people with a few button clicks. Do we want to go there? Why do people think Putin won't go there? He is clearly not thinking logical now, and if you subscribe to the idea that he is a madman, which many here do, why do we think he won't use nuclear weapons?
I think the US has taken the absolute best approach possible so far, but at some point there will likely need to be negotiations in order to drawn down the conflict and declare a ceasefire.
And as all negotiations go, there is give and take. Unfortunately because of the nuclear capabilities Russia has, they will have a serious voice at that table.
I am as supportive of Ukraine as anyone here, but we need to be careful when a madman has nuclear weapons. Would you think differently if it were Calgary or Alberta that would be at risk of being annihilated?