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Originally Posted by Itse
You're buying into Putin's propaganda.
NATO borders only affect Russia's ability to influence a country through military pressure. If the Baltic states weren't in NATO, Russia would likely have attacked them instead of Ukraine, or before Ukraine.
NATO borders are not about "sphere's of influence" anymore, and haven't been in a long time. Hungary for example is much closer to Russia than Western Europe currently, despite it's NATO membership, and just overall Russia has massive influence over Europe, right up to places like UK and Germany, which are supposedly NATO heartland.
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I’m not debating any of that. This isn’t really about opinions or what’s right or wrong. We should focus on the facts:
1. Putin has decision making to launch a nuke.
2. Putins opinion therefore matters
3. His justifications, whether or not we agree with them, therefore matter
all of the above IF we want to avoid nuclear war. We can say he’s bluffing. We can say we don’t believe him. We can say we want to save Ukraine, that’s all fine.
I’m saying it’s a bad idea to keep testing a psychopath who has said he will use nuclear weapons if necessary. And we also know that continuing to provoke Russia, in his mind, is what could lead to such outcome.
Allowing Ukraine in lot NATO will be an escalation not de-escalation. It very likely leads to nuclear war based on what we know now.
Again regardless of right wrong etc.
we need to be calculating with what outcome we want to avoid.
What do we want more, Ukraine in NATO or avoidance of nuclear war?