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Old 09-27-2022, 11:16 PM   #8000
Hack&Lube
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Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee View Post
You should read up on Germanys handling of energy over the last 20 years, sounds like you are not educated on it.

Also ya, we agree, natural gas is not going green. Except wait, hydrogen is right? Wait a sec… lol

Energy literacy needs to be taught in grade school. Clearly.
He's an engineer and very well educated. What are you?

"go do your own research" and "get educated" is the language of far-right conspiracy anger much like your original post "look what happens when you go green!" [yells at cloud]. Provide the information to back up your argument if you care so much about it.

It's undeniable that Germany has been trying to pivot to solar and renewables since I was studying in the EU institutions there in the 2000s. This is was also a play to build up their manufacturing and technology presence in solar cells which would be to their economic benefit and help them leapfrog over other countries. They converted huge amount of empty land to solar and encourage farmers to set up solar from which many now resell energy back to the grid for profit. The German auto industry however, is trying to play catch up as they have so much invested in internal combustion technologies, capital investments, and workforce that many predict it will be difficult for that industry to shift to electric.

But - FlameOn is absolutely correct that their current reliance on natural gas for heating has nothing to do with their renewable energy initiatives but everything to do with getting away from nuclear after the Fukushima disaster in Japan. This was a knee-jerk reaction to a nuclear accident and they pivoted to relying on Russian natural gas for winter heating. Russia was considered a stable economic partner for Europe at the time. I personally feel modern nuclear is a huge part of any successful green energy initiative and kowtowing to the public nuclear energy bogeyman is the real mistake.

Again, nothing at all regarding this incident or Nordstream has anything to do with going green. You just wanted to inject your blind political ideology randomly where it did not belong. Chancellor Scholz wanted to buy Canadian natural gas but it was probably Trudeau that pushed for a hydrogen partnership instead. For what its worth, I think that was dumb. I worked in O&G for years and I'm very pro Canadian Oil. I also happen to think "going green" is not a bogeyman either.

Last edited by Hack&Lube; 09-27-2022 at 11:34 PM.
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