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Old 09-13-2022, 12:05 PM   #2045
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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher View Post
My point is people have different notions of what constitutes fairness. In a pluralistic society everyone is welcome to advocate for their preferred policies. But we go down a dangerous road when we demand conformity on anything to do with identity or equality.
I can agree with the conformity bit. For instance, I wouldn't support the idea that ALL orchestras have to use ethnic background in their hiring practices. But I would support the idea that if an orchestra deemed it an important than that is their freedom of choice to do that. Organizations, whether it be orchestras, or movie studios, or whatever should be free to hire people based on the parameters of their choice. If they choose to have a certain representation from specifics groups, than so be it. That's their choice.

With that said I think government organizations like think police forces/teachers/etc should have some parameters in place to ensure equal representation. For example, I think (as a teacher) there needs to be more men represented in the elementary grades of schools. There's pretty solid evidence that more men as teachers in the elementary grades would benefit young boys and their academic achievement.

I don't understand the issue with society being self-reflective and judging its past to determine a better future. We should literally all be doing this in our own personal lives anyways.

I think this is the problem with the word 'woke' and many of the people who use it. It doesn't differentiate between someone demanding conformity in social fairness in unreasonable terms and someone who is seeking a more just society. Those are two completely different things and its gets tough went people equate them as the same.
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