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Old 08-21-2022, 11:21 PM   #1758
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Reading a little more on Einstein, he moved around a little, but was clear that he did not believe in the Abrahamic version of God.

He believed there wasn’t a “personal God”, but that there were many things that we do not have the ability to understand. He did believe in a higher being.

I have always been struck by his quote “God does not play dice with the universe “.

Although he and I share different views, which is fine, we both believe in something else, while still believing in science.
I think you have kind of misinterpreted Einstein's beliefs.

His statement about God not playing dice was a statement about his belief in the natural laws of the universe, and that the universe is deterministic according to natural laws. It was a response to the seeming randomness of quantum science, and reflected his insistence that the underlying reality of the universe was not random but operated according to natural laws.
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His belief in Spinoza's God was a denial of a God as a spiritual being that existed outside of natural law and reflected his belief in nature and natural law. He wrote on that:

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a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them
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In a poem he wrote in dedication to Spinoza he wrote the line "Trust not the comforting facade" about religious belief.
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In the same letter as quoted above, he also wrote:

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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can change this for me.
I'm not writing this to attack your whole belief system or anything, but I think you should really reconsider using Einstein as an example of a scientist who believed in a spiritual being or creator version of God. He was an agnostic who believed in a natural reality that unfolds according to natural law
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