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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I agree policies matter more than individual actions. I think that also includes the travel schedule of world leaders. I do think that when the focus is on something silly like travel schedules then you should expect it to come from someone who cares deeply about climate change and is holding individual responsibility very highly, otherwise it’s petty nonsense. Hypothetically, if the Liberals were pushing meaningful climate change policies that had a great impact, I wouldn’t care if Trudeau was acting like a fool and dumping motor oil down the kitchen sink.

For single-use plastics, though, you seem to be trying to play it off both ways. If it’s ineffective and enough people are like you who don’t care/forget to further reduce the effectiveness by a significant margin, then even if Trudeau uses it as something he can point to, nobody (including “the left” he’s pandering to) will care. On the other hand, if it is effective pandering and something he can point to as a meaningful action, then it shows that your personal anecdote doesn’t matter and doesn’t have a meaningful impact so shouldn’t affect policy.

You still haven’t come remotely close to showing why the single-use plastic ban should be reversed, only that you feel it shouldn’t have been enacted in the first place. Which is fined but given the costs of switching over in the first place, you have to do more than that.

So your post kind of makes my point and shows the confusion around the policy. Me forgetting my bags at home and buying new ones, isn't negatively impacting the objectives of said policy. The policy was never about greenhouse gasses or raw materials, it is solely about reducing plastic waste in waterways.

https://www.canada.ca/en/environment...-plastics.html

Given I don't litter, and all my plastic gets recycles or put into proper City of Calgary garbage facilities, my actions at the grocery store has zero impact on the policy goals. So, if every single person like me who properly recycles and lives in a City with proper waste management don't care or forget- it has zero impact on the effectiveness of the policy goals.

As for why its a dumb policy, I posted a link of where the main sources of plastic ends up in our oceans. None of our rivers make a rounding error there, but yet the government has chosen to limit consumer and industry options. Again, here is my leap in logic, but it also adds GhG given people won't be perfect and forgetting once has a huge impact- nevermind me forgetting often

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/20...plastic%20bags.

Life cycle studies done in Europe and North America have determined that, overall, plastic bags are better for the environment than paper or reusable bags unless the latter are used many times. Most, however, did not consider the problem of litter, which we know is a major drawback of plastic bags.

And lastly, I don't go out without bags in some sort of childish way to spite the Liberals, I just am out already and moved my bags in from my car, or out for a walk and didn't want to carry bags with me in the chance I stopped by the store. And yes, many times I randomly stop by the store walking and end up hauling enough home I need multiple bags - I get in there and realize I "need" more - ohh berries are on sale finally, etc.