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Originally Posted by Matata
I've taken the plunge on moonlanding conspiracies and I'm 50/50 on the whole thing, it's certainly conceivable, but there are good reasons to doubt the legitimacy. Did you know that NASA destroyed all the original technology and footage from the first moon landing? For no good reason at all. It's also very odd how up to the moon landing, the USSR was leading the space race and had all the space "firsts", up until the US suddenly shot way past them and completed a flawless moon trip. The Van Allen belt is another tricky one, radiation experts are all over the place regarding what they think it would take to safely pass through it. Radiation is very hard on film, so it's also conceivable that they went to the moon AND faked the footage. I have no doubt that the purpose of NASA, to a degree, is funneling money into black operations. There's a ton of fake NASA footage out there (air bubbles on space walks, astronauts green-screening out, etc.)
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A lot of this has been completely debunked. Out of 100 telemetry tapes, 45 were destroyed when the tapes were recycled, the rest have been restored and a lot of the higher quality NASA television tapes were found in the 70's and stored at the Goddard space center. Some of the television footage if you look is posted on the NASA site.
The whole Van Allen belt idiocy was debunked a long time ago. the simple fact is that they traveled through the radiation of the Van Allen belt fast enough so that there wasn't significant exposure. As one professor described it to being similar to fire walking. If you walk across a fire pit fast enough you won't get burned by the thermal energy as it doesn't have time to accumulate enough to do damage. If you slow down in a fire pit or stop you're going to get burned.
Oh and the whole they went and then never went back and nobody else did. Look at what happened in the States going forward. War in Vietnam. Recessions, more wars. Priorities changed. The American's changed their space priorities from exploration to exploitation which lead to the space shuttle program. There was no reason to return to the moon after multiple landings.
Other nations didn't go to the moon for strict reasons of dum dum du dah. Budget, resources and ability. The only other nations that might have been able to was an economic house of cards more concerned with national defense then a moon landing after the American's got there. The prestige was gone. Then they collapsed.
Really up until the 2000's the Chinese certainly didn't have the resources for a moon shot. And then they followed everyone else into the exploitation of space.
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Another fun one is the space challenger explosion and how nearly everyone on it has a living twin that is working in a similar field.
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There is a sheer piece of stupidity that conspiracy theorists don't talk about with this whole "Twins" theory. Most of these twins were working at their jobs while the astronauts were training. So unless NASA has top secret teleportation devices provided by the men in black this theory falls apart quickly as people can't be in two places at one time.
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Originally Posted by Matata
But what really messes me up about the moon is that it really shouldn't even exist. Out of every celestial body we've ever observed, the moon is by far the oddest: it's way too big, it's way too light, it has a perfect-circular orbit (every other moon observed has a wobbly, oblong orbit), the same side of the moon always faces the planet, it might be hollow (a NASA scientist that performed seismic tests on the moon famously remarked that it "rung like bell for 24 hours. The moon also has inexplicably shallow craters, implying a very hard structure beneath the dust). The moon also appears to be of identical size as the sun in the sky, as the sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away (this one alone is so staggering improbable). The moon has a number of statistically impossible characteristics, and the summation of these characteristics is make it perfectly conducive to life on earth. I think the mere existence of the moon is the best evidence we have that life was seeded on earth by outside forces.
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First of all, its not a moon its a battlestation, run by a long dead ancient alien species known as the wardens. Basically Earth was the galaxies version of australia, where all the worst criminal's were sent and the Warden's were to make sure we never left. However they were all executed when Xenu broke the rules and dropped his political prisoners from his DC-7 rocket ships into volcanos.
After that we were left to our own devices.
Conspiracy theories work best, when people present disconnected facts and outliers as interconnected theories. It orbits circularly and rings like a bell so it must be hollow and artificially made.
What drives me crazy is that whether its 9/11 or the moon landings or whatever conspiracy theory is that people will grab onto these minor non connected facts, or plan not due their due dilligence and grab onto absolute falsehoods to build their theories.
The debris theory of the pentagon for example was the corner stone of the missile hitting the pentagon theory. but it was debunked completely and looked stupid when one looks at the debris field on the lawn of the pentagon. Or the hole in the wall theory, when one doesn't take into consideration that jet plans are not built out of the same material as Captain America's shield and the world doesn't work like a bugs bunny cartoons where holes look exactly like the object that created them.
Conspiracy theory to me is fascinating. Because, frankly its one of the greatest money making con industries out there. Alex Jones made a fortune from it. The so called Architechs and engineers for 9/11 truth or whatever they were called made a fortune writing pamphlets and books and taking speaking engagements.
The only counter, do some research apply some critical thinking, and remember that Freud one said "Sometimes a banana is just a banana"