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Originally Posted by OptimalTates
I'm not spinning anything. One guy said he was a top 10 player in today's NHL, and I listed 10 players better, at least based on my opinion but backed up by general consensus. So which of the top 10 do you not have?
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Saying something is "backed up by general consensus" does not make it
actually backed up by general consensus.
If you can show the "general consensus" that might support your argument.
I don't know who or what Andy & Rono are, but they have him as one of the best wingers, if not one of the best players, in the NHL.
JFresh has him in the 97% percentile, meaning, assuming 20 players per team (12-6-2) and 32 teams for 640 players, is in the top 19 players by that metric. Top 2% makes him one of the top 12 players, so by this metric he is in the 12-19th range.
My math includes goalies. If we take them out, as I do not know if they are included in the same WAR%, the range closes to 11-17th best player (below 2% and above 3%).
So ya, based upon 2021-22, he could definitely be in the top 10 players in the league, depending upon what you are looking for.
Edit: Bill Simmons used to do a ranking of NBA players, and he based it upon a one-for-one trade, right now, who would you take.
Using your list, taking into account, age, injury history, and what they still have to produce, in building a team:
I
would trade Tkachuk for Makar, McDavid, MacKinnon, Matthews, Hedman, and Barkov one for one. Meaning, I have Chucky, and give him up for the other player.
I
would not trade Tkachuk for Kucherov (injury history) or Crosby (2-3 years left).
I
am not sure about Draisaitl (could be anti-Oiler bias, but I just don't like him as a player), or Johnny (age and intangibles).
So, using your list, I have him top ten, on a current NHL, going forward basis.
The analysis is likely different if I am in a one-year, win now and don't care about anything else situation.