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Old 07-19-2022, 01:57 PM   #641
IamNotKenKing
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But how does that get them a full building and 2-3 home playoffs games every season. That's all they care about. This org doesn't actually give a #### about building a winner. They'll never make the hard decision.
This is nonsense. Of course they care about winning. You may not agree with their tactics, but of course they do.

This comes down to the "perennial contender/favourite" vs. "perennial playoff team and see what happens" argument.

Over the last six years, from 2017-2022, there were 5 different Stanley Cup champions.
From the nine years from 2009-2017, there were 4, with the Penguins being in both ranges.

Over the 14 years from 2009-2022, there were 12 different losing teams, and
only Boston (twice losers) and Tampa (twice losers) also won.
So, if I can do math, which is debatable, of the past 28 Stanley Cup combatants, there have been 18 different teams in the finals.

Yes, there are/were absolutely perennial contenders/favourites, like Pittsburgh, Chicago, for three years LA, and now TBay, but there are a lot of teams that are close, and then have one year where everything goes perfectly. This is what we were hoping for this year: Division leader, best line in hockey, career years for many, hence the "go for it" mentality at and around the deadline. It did not work, but I have no issue with what they tried.

Of course everyone would prefer to have the history or futures like Pitt., Chicago, recently TBay, and potentially now Colorado, but that takes a lot of luck. It took MacKinnon 9 years to win.

Flames were in the playoffs 5 of the last 8 years, including the bizarre North division shortened season, two division titles, and have only two playoff round wins to show for it. To me, that is a perennial playoff team, but not a perennial contender/favourite. Keeping Johnny and Chucky could have turned us into that, but alas, it was not to be. I am still on board with what they tried to do.

Just picking other teams at complete random:

The Preds have been in the playoffs 7/8, and won 5 series over that time frame, three of them in the Cup run. They haven't been out of the 1st round since 2017-18.

The Leafs have been in the playoffs 5 of the last 8 seasons, with no winning rounds at all, and one division title.

Caps have been in 8/8, with 7 playoff rounds won, including one Cup, and 5 division titles. I put them in the "perennial contender/favourite" category.

Carolina has been in the playoffs 4/8 years, with 4 series victories, and 2 division titles.

NYR has been in the playoffs 4/8 seasons, with 5 series wins, and one division title. (Yes, adding a 9th year adds to their total a lot).

Colorado has been in 5/8 seasons, with 6 series wins, two division titles, and one Cup.

Point being, it's hard, and takes fortune, as well as skill. I liked the direction the team took, and losing Johnny really hurt this move to what I saw as becoming a perennial contender, into the favourite category.
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