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Originally Posted by chedder
I'll treat my fandom any way I choose, thank you. I've had season tickets for 17 years. I don't keep renewing to torture myself. I love hockey and the Flames. I like discussing the good and the bad.
I certainly don't see any subject as doom and gloom. I just don't wear rose colored glasses. The management of these two particular players has been poor which, to mean, means management and ownership screwed up. Something has to change or we'll never see real success in this city.
I find it funny that you were so, so wrong on Johnny yet anyone who doesn't drink the kool-aid and agree with you is someone who should cheer for another team.
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No issue with your take, and your opinion on the bolded isn't necessarily wrong. But this is the thing with hockey fans in general, we tend to just look at outcome, and then draw conclusions on performance. We get caught up in sayings like, winners win, and this is the business of winning.....and unless that's happening, people are screwing up.
But there is so much more that goes into whether things work out then what management can control on building a team, coaches have on coaching, and players have on executing.
Good asset management can and frequently does result in poor outcomes. Strong coaching still results in loses. Good players lose more games than they win often, especially in playoffs. So many factors outside of control determine success.
So easy to say now these things aren't going the way we want (BTW we are saying this before we see the return for Chucky, or even if he goes) that things were botched. I'm not so convinced they were. The funny thing is, if BT had traded both these assets before the start of the season, likely outcome is none of us would have been happy with the return, and would have been calling that poor asset management, and we'd be critiquing him for not taking it to the this point in time.
Now we have people saying anything is better than nothing for Johnny, given we lost him for nothing. If BT had traded him for anything, that would have been critiqued as well. Sometimes crappy things just happen, and you have to manage through them as best you can. The fact that crappy things do happen isn't a direct correlation to a bad job being done.
And based on what we do know about the Johnny situation, and now this one, seems more like a crappy situation that the Flames will just have to deal with, vs. something better management would have prevented.