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Originally Posted by Sliver
Any rust? I like Mazda as well, but I continue to see them prematurely rusting and for now would never buy one for that reason.
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I've been eyeballing every 2016+ I see, and I believe they have sorted out that issue. I honestly can't see how they would still have it, but dear god I'm hope I'm not wrong.
####ing dealerships man. Sylvan, if you don't absolutely, positively need a vehicle right now and you don't have a pile of cash just earmarked for a stupid financial decision, I would seriously hold off.
We might never return to pre-covid, automatic few thousand off MSRP anytime you want days, but the natural increase in used car supply is going to mean 2 things:
Dealerships are forced to compete for new vehicle business. Manufacturing is a volume proposition, and while some OEMS might try to convince you that they will hold production and supply artificially low, there is little concern of this industry wide. No one leaves money on the table, and Nissan, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, Ford, GM etc are all fighting for market share that they need volume to get.
Used car prices will reflect the traditional depreciation rates. These mfers did everything possible to buy up any and all used cars to control financing, nothing more. Used vehicle pricing needs to make rational sense as supply increases, and that only occurs when its an actual discount over new.
Don't forget, a new vehicle, regardless of how nice or value retaining it is, is
always a net loss financially. Dealerships currently control a supply, and they know it and are acting like it. This narrow window of theirs is closing. You are not privileged for being a new vehicle customer. Don't let them make you feel that way.
Generally speaking, what I've encountered is 10% over listed price as a cash-in hand, place order today type of thing. With a 5 month wait. That's ####ing stupid any way you look at it, and for someone without wealth to not think about money, it doesn't make sense.
$800 'dealership policies' about 3rd party security etching? If that's non-negotiable, y'all can ####off because youre just adding cost to the vehicle purchase price and trying to hide it.
New Tire and Rim Warranty? #### that ####; your new vehicle comes with certain tire warranties, and your odds of
ever actually getting this add on third party to pay out anything, especially a value more than the plan purchase price, is near 0.
Any Key/Fob Program? #### that. You're new vehicle comes delivered with 2 sets of keys as a minimum standard. They are yours, and like everything else your purchase, you can swap out a battery on your own.
Collectively, ontop of the known taxes and fees, dealerships try to sell you on profit maximizing, low value to buyer items. That's fine. But don't let them force it on you, because you're buying a car not entering a forced marriage with a dealership.
If you're financing, know the pressure tactis. Know damn well that the room you enter after you 'sign the contract' with the purchase terms is where the dealer bonuses are lost and won, and the guy will be as absolutely vague and confident that he can give you the best most amazing deal imaginable.
The last one of these experiences, I had to have the guy print off the policy, I spent 30 seconds reviewing it and pointed out the exact clause I told him made it a non-starter (dealer maintenance), after he spent 15 minutes lying outright about it. It was the worst sales experience Ive ever had, and I did make a complaint to the manager, because anyone less industry experienced could have easily ended up forking over another grand for nothing, literally.
TL;DR Dealerships are at their worst right now. MSRP+tax is the most anyone should be wiling to pay to walk out the door if walking in with cash, and if that's a no deal, #### em and wait it out a few months.
Now I have to find a way to tell my wife when I get home that there is, in fact, no way Im buying a new car right now.